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Post by whichfinger on Sept 9, 2020 16:03:27 GMT
Massad Ayoob's take on dealing with the current street mobs. I got one little nit to pick with his opinion. He talks about firing a rifle-caliber weapon from inside a car with closed windows, pointing out the permanent hearing damage that would occur. I don't think it matters whether it's a long gun or a handgun of any caliber, shooting it inside a car or house without hearing protection will result in permanent hearing damage.
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Post by dangerranger on Sept 11, 2020 6:05:21 GMT
Shooting inside a closed car isn't as bad as you would think. The carpet, seats and cloth headliner soak up a lot of the sound. I have a Barrel muffler that I use at my home range. Its a couple 55 gallon drums with the ends cut out and welded together to make a long tube. the inside is lined with carpet and egg crate foam. It keeps my neighbors from complaining about the noise. But one time the carpet got wet and I pulled it out. I tried shooting, even a 22 would ring your ears. With the insulation in it is OK to shoot a 454 in it! DR
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Post by whichfinger on Sept 11, 2020 14:22:42 GMT
Shooting in a car would be like shooting with your head stuck inside the barrel.  |
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Post by dangerranger on Sept 13, 2020 6:10:26 GMT
Try it sometime! Its not that bad. Where it was legal we used to shoot coyotes from inside the truck cab.[ Not in CA.] There are lots of videos of people shooting from cars on YT. Do you think all those drive by shooters are wearing ear pros?
Try it. It's not what you think it would be. I think shooting inside a hallway in your house would be worse. DR
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Post by whichfinger on Sept 13, 2020 13:17:11 GMT
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Post by ulmus on Sept 14, 2020 1:47:43 GMT
I know I have some hearing damage. I can't hear my wife half the time.
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Post by whichfinger on Sept 14, 2020 13:44:24 GMT
That's just evolution.
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Post by dangerranger on Sept 16, 2020 18:22:54 GMT
If it comes down to a mob style beat down or firing my gun in a car... I'll take Ringing in my ears!
The truth is I don't know if its auditory exclusion, or brain shut down but I don't remember ever hearing the blast of a gun fired at game animals. Target shooting though, I have made my ears ring. And had some painful experiences. DR
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Post by whichfinger on Sept 19, 2020 14:50:13 GMT
Auditory exclusion ain't the same as protected hearing. It means your brain was occupied with other things and the sound didn't consciously register, but the pressure wave(s) still hit your ears and did damage. Physics will not be denied.  The fact that you hear ringing in your ears even after the "auditory exclusion" event means your hearing was permanently damaged. That damage is cumulative. Each time it happens the damage worsens, and it does not heal (your hearing does not eventually return to pre-shot level). The links I left give ample proof of that. Ayoob says in the article that he carries hearing protection with him at all times, even when driving. While I agree it's not realistic to expect every scenario to allow time for using protection, there may be instances where it's possible to anticipate and prepare. OTOH, there's a valid argument that says if you're anticipating trouble why are you continuing to go in that direction? In any event, a decent pair of noise-attenuating ear plugs takes up very little room so why not have them close at hand? |
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Post by dangerranger on Sept 20, 2020 15:25:32 GMT
Or a good kick to the head, and you won't ever have to worry about your hearing again! DR
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Post by ricepaddydaddy on Sept 22, 2020 0:08:16 GMT
Due to M-16's, plus incoming enemy rockets and mortars, plus outgoing friendly artillery, 50 years ago, the VA classifies my hearing loss as "severe".
Plus, tinitus.
We didn't have hearing protection in 1969.
As far as what is termed auditory exclusion, that is just one part of the amount of adreneline produced under extreme stress, such as combat.
You also get tunnel vision, time slows down, all sorts of things.
BUT, if my life is on the line, I'm firing. Whether I have ear muffs or not.
And yes, having "severe" hearing loss really sucks. When the VA gave me hearing aids a decade ago and I could hear birds sing, I actually wept.
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Post by whichfinger on Sept 22, 2020 13:30:19 GMT
Yeah, I was pretty happy to hear birds sing again too. The ones I have now connect with my iPhone via blue tooth, so I can usually understand a caller now. Usually, not always.
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